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DFI’s two systems on one motherboard

September 19th, 2009 George Ou 10 comments

This is a VERY cool new motherboard from DFI. It features a P45 chipset motherboard along with an NVIDIA Ion motherboard and Intel Atom CPU on a single board with an integrated gigabit Ethernet switch. It comes with a USB and audio KVM switch as well. The system allows you to shut down or suspend your high performance P45 system and leave the NVIDIA ION chipset and Intel Atom CPU running in low power mode. The video quoted 30 watts which isn’t all that low power unfortunately.

Only downside to this that I can see is the $399 list price. Hopefully more motherboard makers will build a product like this and get the price to come down. What I want is a P55 chipset motherboard and the next generation PineTrail-D Atom system as the second system.

OEMs beat white box on low end, but not the high end

August 8th, 2009 Justin James 5 comments

A while back (summer of 2003), I spent my days off working at a small computer shop in the middle of nowhere. We were deep in rural South Carolina. As in, “can’t get cell phone reception” and “literally a one stop light town.” The shop itself was so small that it occupied a spare bedroom and the living room of the owner’s house, and I was the only employee. Before I started working there, I had always assumed that the “big companies” like Dell, Compaq, and so on were rip-offs. I had always assumed (and I may note, it had always been true until sometime early this decade) that building your own PC was cheaper than buying a true OEM machine. Well, by the end of that summer (believe me, our customers were not “high end” or even “mid-range”), I realized that the white box market was dead for the most part on the low end. The OEMs were selling a full machine (including a copy of Windows and shipping/handling) for less money than the parts would cost us. Ever since then, when someone has asked me if they should custom build a PC or buy an OEM PC, I tell them to go with the OEM model unless they have very specific needs that can’t be met.

Well, I have always considered my own needs very specific, so I never looked at OEM stuff before. For example, when I built my current PC almost three years ago, very few people ran dual monitors and that was a “must have” for me. In addition, I knew I wanted two RAID 1’s, and most OEMs were using motherboards without built-in RAID support. So I did it myself. Now, I am getting ready to replace this machine (technically, I will be turning the current machine into a server, and building a new desktop PC). After all was said and done, my parts list came in at just under $1,500. I could trim the price a bit, by dropping the thumb drive for ReadyBoost (I personally like ReadyBoost, I think it is an excellent idea), getting rid of the extra drive for backup purposes (not a good idea to drop it), halfing the RAM to 6 GB (do I really need 12?), reusing an existing case/PSU (instead of getting the Lian-Li/Seasonic combo I wanted), and so on. But I really don’t want to do that. I spec’ed it a certain way for a reason.

Remembering my PC shop experiences, I decided to see if the “big boys” could spank white box on the high end and well as the low end. I was stunned with what I saw. I looked at the “workstation” class PCs, since that is what I am building. First of all, what the OEMs had to offer was a lot of last year’s tech. On top of that, things that I thought would be common, were either not possible or extremely expensive (like RAIDs). And upgrades were unbelievably pricey. Basically, there is no way that the OEMs can beat a self-built system on this score.

Now, I do understand part of it. IT departments value consistency in the supply chain more than the best value; being able to swap a user’s drive into a replacement box and troubleshoot the hardware later will get a high-salaried engineer back to work a lot quicker than trying to solve the problem on their live box. Ditto for being able to just blast an image onto a machine. At the same time, I am baffled as to how the OEMs can think that they can charge what they charge for, say, a RAM increase, when every customer has a CDW or Newegg account. And of course, they may be willing to concede a lot of the market with the belief that most people looking on the high end are enthusiasts who always want a cutting edge, custom system that no OEM could profitably make. All the same, I was quite shocked to see just how bad the prices were on their high end kit.

J.Ja

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Need suggestions for a PC case

July 8th, 2009 Justin James 27 comments

After much thought and consultation with a friend, I beleive that my persistently high hard drive failure rate on personal PCs (I average a drive failure every 6 – 9 months for the last 10 years, regardless of brand, model, etc.) may actually be caused by heat. So, I need suggestions on a case that provides lots of room for my hard drives to “breath”. My current case is pretty good about cooling, but the drives are still packed in tight, and my failure rate is a bit high (but lower than my normal history). Any suggestions (that do not involve pricey drive coolers) is appreicated! Must hold ATX MB, 4 internal hard drives, 1 – 2 5.25″ drives, and 1 3.5″ floppy drive (you never know when they come in handy).

J.Ja

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$18 (after $20 rebate) NVIDIA 8600GT graphics card

June 30th, 2009 George Ou 2 comments

$18 (after $20 rebate) NVIDIA 8600GT graphics card with dual DVI
http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx

I don’t think this blog entry requires much explanation.  Even without the rebate, it’s a great deal.  You can order up to 3 of these and get a maximum of $60 rebate.  For anyone with an older graphics card, this will breath new life into the computer with a reasonably fast, quiet, and cool temperature graphics card.

How to get a nice Home Theater PC for $595

May 13th, 2009 George Ou 19 comments

As I’ve previously explained, an Intel G45 motherboard and Intel Conroe-L “Celeron” processor makes the ideal computer system as oppose to an NVIDIA Ion system.  Now I’ll give you the full configuration list of parts for building a great HTPC system for under $600.

Thermaltake Mozart Xaser

Blu-ray and NAS storage capable Home Theater PC (HTPC)

Item Cost
Foxconn G45 MicroATX motherboard

ICH10R storage controller (RAID 0, 1, 10, 5) and Blu-ray capable HDMI graphics

$92
Intel “Celeron” 430 Conroe-L 1.8 GHz

Stock speed much faster than dual-core Atom, and can easily clock to 2.88 GHz

$40
2 GB DDR2-800 RAM $22
Lite-on Blu-ray ROM drive $90
Western Digital Green 1.5 Terabyte Hard Drive $140
Thermaltake Xaser Mozart HTPC chassis (supports 5 internal hard drives) $109
Hauppauge 1196 WinTV HVR-1250 Hybrid Video Recorder PCI-Express 1x $52
Seasonic S12 330 watt 80 Plus power supply $50
Total $595

At $595, this is an unheard of price for an awesome HTPC system that you can hook up to your HDTV television set via HDMI cable.  Not only can you play Blu-ray movies, surf the web, and watch Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, and every other website, you can also do some casual PC gaming on your living room TV.  A good Blu-ray player without any recording and storage capacity will cost you this much money and Blu-ray players typically have very annoying one-minute startup times but this computer can sleep and wake in a few seconds for instant-on gratification.  You can also add 4 more hard drives to this chassis and have this double as a super fast gigabit network attached storage (NAS) server and the RAID 5 controller in the motherboard makes fault tolerant storage feasible.

To make sure this is compatible with your HDTV set, you need an HDTV with HDMI inputs with either 1280×720, 1366×768, or 1920×1080 native resolution (preferably the latter which is usually called “Full HD 1080P”).  A nice 42″ LCD 1080P HDTV these days can be had for under $1000.  You don’t need to worry about sound because HDMI covers both video and audio so it’s nice and simple with only one cable and connector to worry about.  Also make sure you don’t make the mistake of buying hundred dollar HDMI monster cables.

Lastly, if you’re going to buy an OEM copy of Windows Premium Edition, wait till fall for Windows 7 and it should be available for around $120.  I would also suspect that vendors will soon be offering free Windows 7 coupons for those who purchase Windows Vista.

Update 5/17/2009 – Note that the Blu-ray optical drive comes with an OEM copy of PowerDVD.  The OEM copy is limited to stereo audio which is fine if you’re plugging this HTPC directly into your HDTV which typically only supports stereo anyways.  If you’re going to plug this into a 5.1 or 7.1 receiver, then you’re going to need to upgrade to the full retail version of PowerDVD.

Also note that this type of system will idle around 40 watts or less and peak at well under 90 watts.  The 330 watt power supply makes it somewhat difficult to achieve very low power states because the power consumption is too low to be in the optimum range of this power supply which is one of the smaller PSUs you can find.  But if you load in 4 more energy efficient hard drives, we might expect the idle power consumption to remain below 55 watts which is extremely reasonable for a 6 TB storage device (using RAID-5).

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Strike the word “future proof” from your tech vocabulary

November 1st, 2008 George Ou 7 comments

Intel and Asus are trying to get community feedback on what people want in a PC and one of the more popular ideas floated is a “Future proof PC”.  I’ve been trying to tell people for nearly two decades that there is no such thing as “future proof” in the computer industry and the sooner they strike that idea from their head the better off they are.  This rule applies equally to the consumer and the IT industry.

Why am I so adamant about this?  Because I’ve seen people shoot themselves in the foot over and over again and while most of them learn, it’s an expensive lesson.  It’s the same old story and I’ve seen people ignore my warnings and buy that $5,000 to $10,000 PC because they think it’s future proof for 5 to 10 years.  The reality is that it’s almost always an inferior piece of junk compared to any $2000 new PC with dust balls and gunk inside the computer within 2 years.

I see companies fork out $50,000 for a server with two empty sockets so that they have “upgradeability” when they could have bought an equally fast server for $20,000 without the upgradeability.  Less than 2 years later when they’re out of capacity, it costs them another $20,000 to upgrade but they could just as easily buy a brand new $20,000 computer that’s faster than the upgraded computer.  Oh but the IT guy will argue that the new PC requires a migration and the other computer is a drop-in replacement.  The problem with this argument is that you can just as easily align your major software upgrades with new servers which is much simpler and safer to do than an in-place software upgrade on the production server.  If anything bad happens on the production server during an in-place software upgrade (which is quite common), you’re toast.  If anything bad happens on the new server, you got plenty of time to iron it out while your production server is humming along.  When you get everything right, just flip the production server over with a few DNS changes and you’re done.

But dtoid, the gamer who posted the suggestion on the future proof computer, is talking about an upgradeable PC.  The problem with this idea is that by the time you upgrade the motherboard, GPU, memory, and CPU to get the necessary improvements, you’ve only managed to keep a nasty gunky keyboard and ATX chassis.  Had you kept all the parts intact, you would have a nice hand-me-down computer to give away or sell on EBay.  The worst example of dumb upgrades I can remember is people who spend $250 on a CPU socket adapter so that they could put a new CPU in an old motherboard when a new motherboard is better and cheaper.

Buying a new computer generally isn’t that much more expensive than an upgrade because the only extra money you’re spending is the chassis, power supply, and optical drive which is hardly more than $200.  Besides, getting a fresh install of Windows is half of the new PC experience.

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Build a powerful and silent office computer for under $600 – no display

August 22nd, 2008 George Ou 20 comments

This is a computer build list for a good office computer with solid graphics performance.  This computer has very low power consumption with NVIDIA passively cooled 9500 GT graphics adapter and Intel dual-core 45nm processor.  The nice thing about this set-up is that it has two digital display outputs and one analog display output so you can hook up multiple monitors.


Component Price
ASUS P5Q SE/R LGA 775 Intel P45 chipset with – ICH10R RAID 114
Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz 3MB L2 Cache 120
MSI N9500GT MD512Z GeForce 9500 GT 512MB – VGA/DVI/HDMI 88
2 GB DDR2-800 DIMM 41
Cooler Master Elite 330 – ATX tower (in store pickup) 50
SeaSonic S12 II SS-330GB ATX12V 330W “80 Plus” Power Supply 68
Western Digital 512 GB SATA hard drive (lowest power consumption) 70
LG 20X DVD burner, SATA 26
Sub total (including shipping) 577

This system could be considered an entry-level gaming computer with decent gaming performance for 22″ LCD displays or less.  It can also be converted to a great HTPC computer with bigger multiple hard drives and a Blu-ray optical drive.  When the AMD/ATI Radeon 4600 series comes out, those will be a great substitute as well.

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Blu-ray PC blues

July 5th, 2008 George Ou 24 comments

In an effort to build the cheapest computer I can build that plays Blu-ray DVD movies, I put the NVIDIA 7150 chipset with Intel Allendale dual-core 2.93 GHz (overclocked) test bed to work.  I’ve already been having some problems with this inexpensive embedded NVIDIA chipset but I wanted to put it to the most challenging video load it can handle.

To start off, I put in a Pioneer BDC-S02BK Blu-ray ROM drive in the computer and put it to the test using PowerDVD 8.0 trial edition.  The result was an absolute failure and I couldn’t even get the drive to recognize “The Other Boleyn Girl” 2008 Blu-ray edition that I rented from Netflix.  The drive would recognize HQV Blu-ray edition test disk but the frame rate was just awful and at times it was like watching a 5 fps slide show and the CPU hit near 100% for both CPU cores on the Intel Allendale 2.93 GHz processor.  Mid way through, PowerDVD 8 crashed and took about 5 minutes to terminate the process.

So I went to Fry’s and picked up a Lite-on BD-ROM drive for $110 and that came with an OEM edition of PowerDVD 7 which only permits 2-channel audio but that was fine for me since I’m only hooking the computer up to my DLP HDTV.  I put the disk in and “The Other Boleyn Girl” worked with PowerDVD 7 but it was still jerky at times and the CPU hit 90+ percent again.

At this point since this motherboard and embedded GPU is absolutely worthless for Blu-ray, I’m going to try and pick up an AMD Radeon HD 3450 PCI-Express graphics card with full H.264 and VC-1 acceleration for $37.  I’m going to switch to an inexpensive Intel G33 chipset motherboard because I want the S3 sleep state to work so that the computer can have instant on capability.

The NVIDIA 7150 motherboard is crashing whenever it wakes from S3 sleep state and I don’t know if it’s a bad implementation by XFX or if all NVDIA 7150 chipset motherboards have this problem.  Since I can’t get any support on this from NVIDIA or XFX after repeated queries, I’m going to assume the worst until I get my hands on another 7150 to test and suspend my recommendation of this chipset for now even if you’re not using it for Blu-ray playback.

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Intel “Allendale” 2.2 GHz dual-core running at 2.93 GHz at stock voltage

June 6th, 2008 George Ou 1 comment

I’m just building a new PC with using an Intel E2200 “Allendale” Core 2 2.2 GHz processor on an XFX nForce 630i model MG-630i-7159 motherboard.  This is a very similar configuration to my $400 computer build list.  Just for the heck of it I changed the FSB from 800 MHz to 1064 MHz using stock voltage and the next thing I know I’m running at 2.93 GHz.  I haven’t tried pushing it higher yet but pushing it to 1200 MHz base would jack the CPU up to 3.3 GHz which might require a voltage boost.

But before I try a faster speed, I ran a quick benchmark using wPrime 1.53 and compared it to my Intel E6600 2.4 GHz system.  The E2200 @ 2.93 GHz completed the 32M test at 28.362 seconds while my E6600 at the stock 2.4 GHz took 34.125 seconds.  Even this is an older 65nm dual-core value line CPU, I’m very impressed with it and I’m very pleased with this motherboard’s ability to overclock.

The system has a 400 GB Seagate hard drive using the NVIDIA 7150 embedded graphics and has an 18x DVD burner.  The total system at the wall idles at an impressive 48 watts and its overclocked setting at 2.93 GHz under load using wPrime 1.53 was an impressive 80 watts and seems to be stable so far.  The embedded graphics performance seems to be decent but I need to do a more thorough review of that.

However, this system seems to lock up after it wakes out of S3 Sleep state and I log in to the computer.  I thought it had something to do with the overclock setting but it wasn’t.  The system locks up even under all stock settings.  Just to put this in to context, most systems I build I have had similar problems with an Abit motherboard with an Intel 945 chipset as well.  The problem probably isn’t chipset related since some because I’ve had other motherboards with the same chipset work just fine.  I’ll have to check with XFX to see why this is being problematic.  I haven’t tried updating the BIOS yet but that may be my next immediate step.  I’m not sure if this is an implementation issue with XFX or an NVIDIA driver issue.

So far, it looks like a very stable motherboard for overclocking and the CPU will handle the higher clock speeds just fine, but this motherboard from XFX has a defective S3 sleep state.  So if this was for a server or a media center that constantly stayed on, then it would be a great system since it uses so little power in idle.  But this would be a problem for a normal PC since S3 sleep state operates at a very efficient 2 watts and allows instant-on.

Developing …

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Building the high-end 30″ LCD game system for $3340

May 28th, 2008 George Ou 19 comments

My former blogging partner at ZDNet Zero-Day Nate McFeters asked me to come up with a power house gaming system that doesn’t needlessly spend money on components that merely give slightly better performance.  He didn’t care about DVD burning or RAID storage but I explained that some sort of RAID should be included to permit the OS to respond better and the game maps to load quicker which can take up to 20 seconds sometimes off a single hard drive.

I figured a lot of people would be interested in this sort of system so I came up with the following computer build list.  You won’t really get much better performance with a system costing two or three times more money.

Component Price
GIGABYTE GA-X48-DS4 LGA 775 Intel X48 (dual gigabit and PCI-E 2.0) 244
Intel Pentium Q9450 2.66 GHz 45nm processor (clock to 3.2 GHz*) 360
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler (fan stops turning below 25 C) 27
OCZ 4 GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2-1066 126
SeaSonic S12 80 Plus (85% efficiency) SS-550HT 550W 2 x 6-pin 109
COOLER MASTER COSMOS 1000 RC-1000-KSN1-GP Black/Silver 225
EVGA 01G-P3-N891-AR GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB (Dual GPU graphics card) 507
(Quantity 2 RAID-1) Western Digital Caviar GP WD7500AACS 750GB – OEM 240
LG Black 20X DVD burner (SATA) 32
Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1250 MC – White Box 1187 PCI-Express 66
Logitech G15 gaming keyboard 84
RAZER RZ01-00050200-R2M1 Anarchy Red Laser 2000 dpi Mouse 55
RAZER RZ02-00200100 Destructor Precision Gaming Surface 51
Vista Home Premium x64 edition ** 95
Sub total (including shipping) 2221

I split the monitor configuration down in to two options.  One good 30″ monitor with very good color gamut and another 30″ monitor with extremely good color gamut good enough for graphics artists.  The gamer will probably happy with the cheaper display but if you have the money to spend, spend it on a better looking display.

Dell 30″ 3007WFPHC high color gamut 1119
Sub total (including shipping and 30″ display) 3340
Dell 30″ 3008WFP 117% super high color gamut 1999
Sub total (including shipping and 30″ display) 4220

You’ll note that I’m having you spend $51 on just a gaming surface.  If you want a gaming computer, the last thing you skimp on is the mouse pad, the mouse, and the keyboard.  That’s your control system and it’s critical for accurate game play.  The G15 keyboard in my experience is pretty nice to type on too.

Note that 30″ LCD displays use Dual-link DVI ports because the resolution is too high for regular DVI.  This is a great link on DVI that my buddy Jack showed me and it has pictures showing you how it works.  If you’re curious about performance and power consumption of the NVIDIA 9800 GX2 graphics card, TechReport has a great review here.  The only difference in our system here is that it will draw less power than the 351 watts that Scott Wasson measured because of the 45nm CPU.

* To overclock the CPU, crank the base FSB clock from 333 MHz to 400 MHz and you’ll make the 2.66 GHz CPU run at 3.2 GHz with a fairly safe overclock.  If the system is not stable (Vista won’t boot or crashes while it’s running) at stock voltage, bump the voltage up by a factor of 0.1V increments.  I don’t recommend boosting the CPU core voltage more than 0.3 volts without very exotic cooling and if you don’t know what you’re doing.  You might need a slight bump on the North Bridge chipset voltage and the DDR2 memory voltage.  At these mild clock speed, you shouldn’t need too much of a voltage boost if at all.  Do not overclock the CPU while you’re installing the operating system.  Be sure to test the system by stressing the overclocked setting with games and something like OCCT 2.0 to make sure everything is stable.  Note that S3 sleep state may be broken by the modified voltage settings so you’ll want to avoid using suspend and shut down the computer when you’re not using it.

** 64 bit Vista may have driver issues with some legacy hardware and some utilities like CoreTemp won’t run on it.  If you want to avoid these problems, buy the x86 32 bit version of Vista.  However, a 32 bit OS will only recognize around 3.5 GBs of RAM and you won’t be able to add more memory in the future.  Some operations also run a lot faster on the 64 bit OS although it doesn’t make a difference on existing games.

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